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Expectations in Chanting: How to ReturnHome Through the Holy Names

Krishna Das
Krishna Das
May 6, 2026
7 min read
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TLDR: When we chant the holy names, our biggest obstacle is the expectation that something extraordinary should happen. Krishna Das teaches that the real work is recognizing we've already arrived—we're already home, but we don't know it yet. Chanting isn't about chasing bliss, ecstasy, or spiritual experiences; it's about removing the veils of ignorance that prevent us from seeing what's already present. The practice requires trust, patience, and the willingness to surrender our agendas about what "should" occur.

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What Happens When We Approach Chanting with Expectations?

Krishna Das begins by identifying the core problem: "When we sit down to chant, the biggest obstacles are expectations. We think something's supposed to happen." This expectation framework is insidious because it feels reasonable. We enter a kirtan space hoping for transcendence, peace, or a sense of spiritual progress. But this very anticipation creates a mental division—a split between where we are now and where we think we should be.

The paradox Krishna Das points to is profound: "Problem is, it already happened. We're here, but we don't know it." The arrival, the homecoming, is not a future event. It's already the case. The work isn't to get somewhere else; it's to see that we're already there. Expectations prevent this recognition because they keep the mind oriented toward what's absent rather than what's present.

This teaching resonates directly with those recovering from spiritual harm or those in ego-driven spiritual communities. One participant in the podcast shared that after years in a spiritually abusive environment where ego and spiritual bypassing were rampant, she felt "blockages" when encountering kirtan outside that context. Krishna Das's response cuts to the root: the practice itself isn't broken. What's broken is the relationship between expectation and reality—between what we think should happen and what is.

Why We Can't Run Away From Suffering Through Chanting

Krishna Das is direct about a subtle trap: "You might be looking for bliss or ecstasy, but that actually might be just running away from suffering. And you can't run away from things, nor can you hold onto things." This is crucial for anyone using chanting as spiritual bypass.

The tendency to treat kirtan as a dissociative escape is common. The sweet melodies, the communal energy, the rhythm—all can lull us into thinking we're transcending when we're actually avoiding. Krishna Das names this pattern without judgment, but with clarity: running away from suffering through seeking bliss is still running. And running doesn't resolve anything.

Instead, he points toward a different orientation: the practice involves neither pushing away difficult material nor grasping for peak states. It's a middle way of presence. When we sit in the names without the agenda of escape or attainment, we create space for actual transformation—which often looks less dramatic than we expect.

What Does It Mean to "Come Back Home"?

Krishna Das frames chanting as "come back home." Home here doesn't mean a distant paradise or a future state of enlightenment. Home is where we are right now, obscured only by our ignorance and our mental overlays.

The metaphor is worth sitting with. In the Bhakti tradition that Krishna Das draws from, the ultimate reality is not separate from us—it's our true nature. We're not trying to become something other than what we are; we're trying to recognize what we've always been. Chanting, in this framework, is a tool for that recognition. The holy names are like a key that, when sung with sincerity and without agenda, unlocks the knowing that's already present.

This reframes practice entirely. We're not in the business of manufacturing experiences. We're in the business of removing obstacles to the recognition that's already happening. Each repetition of the names, each call and response, is an opportunity to let go of the idea that we need to be different than we are.

How Does Trust Factor Into Chanting Without Expectations?

Later in the podcast, when asked about healing from spiritual trauma within kirtan practice, Krishna Das emphasizes the role of trust. "The thing is trust," he says simply. This isn't trust in a particular person or institution—it's trust in the practice itself, and in the fundamental nature of the names.

For someone whose relationship to chanting has been damaged, rebuilding that trust is the work. Trust isn't blind belief. Rather, it's the willingness to show up repeatedly without demanding that the experience conform to a preset script. It's the gradual recognition, through direct experience, that the practice doesn't fail you—your expectations do.

Krishna Das suggests that when blockages arise in chanting—when you feel resistance or numbness—the answer isn't to try harder or to analyze what's wrong. It's to notice what's there without judgment and continue. "It's just a little unfamiliar, that's all," he says, normalizing the discomfort. Over time, as you sit with the practice without the agenda of feeling a particular way, the blockages can soften and dissolve.

The Names Themselves Are Not the Goal

Krishna Das also clarifies that the names—the words, the sounds—aren't the destination. "When we say that the name and God are not two," he teaches, indicating that the name points to something beyond itself. But in practice, we don't need to understand this intellectually. We simply chant with sincerity and let the practice do its work.

This is important for people who get stuck in perfectionism around chanting—worrying about pronunciation, whether they're "doing it right," or whether they understand the meaning deeply enough. Krishna Das's teaching here is liberating: the mechanism works through repetition and surrender, not through mastery or intellectual comprehension. You show up, you sing, you listen, and the practice opens what needs to open.

What About Moments When Nothing Seems to Be Happening?

One of the hardest aspects of chanting without expectations is the long stretches where nothing dramatic seems to occur. You sit, you sing, you leave—and there's no fireworks, no rush of bliss, no visible progress. Krishna Das normalizes this: these quiet sessions are exactly the practice. There's no meter by which you've "failed" because you didn't feel something particular.

In fact, the willingness to show up even when chanting feels dry or mechanical is itself the practice. It's the training ground for surrendering agenda. Each time you sit without demanding a result, you're weakening the ego's grip on the experience. And that weakening is the real transformation—subtle, gradual, and often invisible until months or years later when you notice you're different.

How Does This Teaching Relate to Spiritual Community?

The podcast participant who had been harmed in a spiritually toxic environment was receiving a gentle but firm message: the problem wasn't the names or the practice. The problem was the environment and the people using spiritual language as a cover for ego and control. Returning to kirtan in a healthier context—or even alone—is a reclamation of the practice from the distortion.

Krishna Das's teaching here is that the purity of the practice isn't dependent on the purity of the community. The names themselves are untainted. What matters is your own sincerity and your willingness to approach them without the baggage of what someone else told you "should" happen.

Where to go from here

If you're drawn to chanting but struggling with expectations, Krishna Das's teaching suggests a simple experiment: sit with the names without trying to feel anything. Don't assess whether you're "doing it right." Don't keep score of peak experiences. Instead, notice what arises—silence, resistance, peace, restlessness, boredom—and let it all be part of the practice. The real work is showing up repeatedly, with sincerity and without agenda, and gradually learning to see that you're already home. The names are simply reminding you of what you've never actually left.

Transcript

[0:01] Welcome to the Call and Response podcast

[0:04] with Krishna Das, a gathering of stories

[0:06] and conversations dedicated to bringing

[0:08] spirituality into our daily lives. Call

[0:12] and Response podcast is an offering of

[0:14] the Kirtan Wallah Foundation, which is

[0:16] devoted to spreading the teachings of

[0:18] Neem Karoli Baba, a great spiritual

[0:20] teacher of India.

[0:22] If you're interested in supporting this

[0:24] podcast and the work of the foundation,

[0:26] please visit kirtanwallahfoundation.org.

[0:30] And please visit krishnadas.com

[0:33] for more offerings like this, including

[0:35] information on KD's tour and retreats,

[0:38] gifts, online courses, workshops, and

[0:42] more.

[0:43] In 2026, we've updated our digital

[0:45] library to include harmonium tutorials

[0:48] volumes 1 and 2, fireside stories with

[0:51] Krishna Das, KD's newest album Home in

[0:54] the Heart, and much more.

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[1:31] Thanks for listening.

[1:38] My conversations are usually not

[1:40] recorded.

[1:41] Probably for good reason.

[1:43] Someone once asked Maharaji, "Isn't it

[1:45] hypocritical to worship worship God when

[1:47] you are not sincere

[1:49] in your devotion?" Well, that's a good

[1:51] question cuz who's really sincere,

[1:53] right?

[1:55] So many people come and talk to me and

[1:58] share their issues with me and problems

[2:01] on the path. And I always say, you have

[2:03] the longing and you know what you're

[2:05] looking for. And the longing, on one

[2:07] hand, it ruins your life.

[2:11] And on the other hand, it saves your

[2:13] life at the same time.

[2:17] I remember when Ram Dass

[2:22] We were at Brighton Bush, uh this is a

[2:24] long time ago.

[2:25] Soon after the stroke.

[2:28] A few years after the stroke. He decided

[2:30] that

[2:32] he would um

[2:34] try to uh

[2:36] talk with the group

[2:38] without smoking dope.

[2:42] For the first time in 60 years or

[2:44] something like that.

[2:46] So, he was in total panic, right?

[2:49] What am I going to say? What will I do,

[2:51] you know? I said, "Look, just go out

[2:54] and say, we will sit in silence until

[2:57] someone has something to say." And he

[3:00] said, "Oh, that'll never work." I said,

[3:01] "Just try it. Just try it." So, he came

[3:04] out and he said, "We will sit in silence

[3:07] until someone has something to say."

[3:10] Every All the hands went up like in

[3:12] about a quarter of a second.

[3:14] He was worried that, you know, that

[3:15] nobody would say anything.

[3:18] So.

[3:24] Could be an happy time for the dogs,

[3:25] too. You never know.

[3:27] So, you didn't smoke today?

[3:29] Huh?

[3:30] Did I smoke today? I Not only did I

[3:32] smoke today,

[3:34] it's probably been about 40 years or

[3:37] maybe more.

[3:41] What am I talking about? 50 years.

[3:44] Hi. Hi. Um I hope this isn't too silly,

[3:48] but I

[3:48] >> I hope it is. Turn it up. If it's silly,

[3:50] I I want to hear it. Okay.

[3:53] I've I've always wondered uh

[3:56] after Maharaji gave you the orders to

[3:58] sing,

[3:59] what you sounded like

[4:01] when you first started.

[4:03] You'll never know.

[4:08] I just shh be Okay.

[4:10] Does she know? You know? No, she doesn't

[4:12] know.

[4:13] >> Maybe she can do an impression. I

[4:15] Somewhere actually I made a I

[4:18] The first thing I recorded

[4:21] was probably about

[4:23] mm about a year and a half or 2 years

[4:25] before One Track Heart was recorded. We

[4:28] recorded it out in Taos, New Mexico.

[4:32] And uh

[4:34] how should I put it?

[4:36] It's cringeworthy.

[4:40] It's so horrible.

[4:42] I I just like I can't even bear to think

[4:45] about it.

[4:49] And even I uh Oh, you don't want to hear

[4:51] all this.

[4:53] Oh, you do?

[4:55] I even don't like One Track Heart.

[4:59] I'm sorry. Except for the Davey Pujo was

[5:01] very good.

[5:03] Because I can hear my mind, you see?

[5:07] I was thinking.

[5:08] How do you do this? What should I do?

[5:10] What about that?

[5:11] A- and I could hear my mind. Every time

[5:13] I listen to that, it's like ooh.

[5:16] But by Pilgrim Heart, that was a whole

[5:18] other thing.

[5:19] And then from then on, God knows what it

[5:21] is.

[5:22] I hope.

[5:24] So, yeah.

[5:29] It was just so much

[5:32] less in between my ears these days. It's

[5:35] scary sometimes.

[5:42] Hey, look who's here.

[5:45] Qué pasa?

[5:46] Yeah, you, idiot.

[5:48] Yeah.

[5:51] Good.

[5:55] That's how That's how I treat my good

[5:57] friends.

[6:02] Anybody else?

[6:04] Oh, we're going to fix change the

[6:05] battery.

[6:13] Yeah, it's been a strange long strange

[6:15] trip. I mean, Ram Dass and I was

[6:18] in my in Maui, we used to sit at after

[6:20] after breakfast, we would sit at the

[6:21] table together for hours and hours.

[6:23] Everybody else would go away.

[6:26] And we just kind of sit in silence and

[6:28] talk and silence and talk. So, when day

[6:31] I turned the phone on

[6:33] a recording

[6:35] and we sat there for hours.

[6:38] So, when it was over, I said, "You know,

[6:40] I recorded this." And he goes, "Oh."

[6:43] I said, "What should I call it?"

[6:47] He said,

[6:49] "Call it

[6:51] Dick and Jeff's journey to What did he

[6:54] say?

[6:56] Uh Dick and Jeff's journey to soul

[6:58] land."

[7:06] Yeah, what a journey.

[7:18] Hello.

[7:19] Testing. Testing. There it is. Thank

[7:21] you. Testing. Testing. Hello, Krishna

[7:23] Dass. I've waited 20 years to say this.

[7:27] You're on my bucket list and I'm sorry

[7:29] I'm going to tell everybody how old you

[7:30] are right now. But Don't be sorry. I'm

[7:33] still alive. Okay.

[7:35] Be sorry if I wasn't. I You're I Last

[7:38] year when I realized you were 75, I knew

[7:40] I I to come and see you after 20 years

[7:43] cuz I'm like I'm like you might be gone.

[7:45] So

[7:46] I was like I got at least 20 minutes

[7:49] left.

[7:49] >> I wanted to give YOU A HUG. I'M LIKE OH

[7:51] MY GOD, YOU'RE STILL ALIVE. THANK you

[7:52] for breathing. Thank you for continuing

[7:54] to breathe. I know it's an effort but

[7:56] make that effort. I'm actually not any

[7:58] more alive than I was before I had this

[8:00] body but that's okay.

[8:02] >> That's good. Actually I have a question.

[8:04] I've been studying Sikhism and I noticed

[8:07] that the names Krishna Das I'm sorry.

[8:10] No, I'm just using

[8:11] >> Krishna Das and Ram Das I noticed that

[8:13] Ram Das was a name that came from the

[8:15] Sikh tradition and I was wondering if

[8:17] >> come from the Sikh tradition. It's and

[8:19] it just means servant of God. It's from

[8:21] all the traditions. All the same. There

[8:23] is a Guru Ram Das of course in the Sikh

[8:26] tradition but the name itself is it's

[8:29] just like John or Frank or Tony in

[8:31] English.

[8:31] >> So there wasn't like a significance to

[8:33] why Neem Karoli Baba named named you

[8:36] guys Krishna Das and Well the sig- the

[8:38] significance is that Maharaj is Hanuman

[8:41] and that's the Ram the tradition of Ram

[8:44] and Das means servant. Hanuman is the

[8:46] servant. So part of that lineage. So the

[8:49] the Das the Dases and the Nandases are

[8:52] all part of that

[8:53] with Maharaj. Thank you. You're welcome.

[8:56] Was that worth 20 years waiting?

[8:59] One of them one of the things. Just

[9:01] being in front of you is enough. Oh

[9:03] really?

[9:09] Thank you.

[9:13] You can't pay for that. I mean how do

[9:14] you how do you get something like that?

[9:17] There you go. So God bless you. Thank

[9:18] you for all your music. Thank you for a

[9:20] lifetime of music. You've changed my

[9:22] life and you'll continue to change my

[9:24] life for the rest of my life. So I

[9:26] appreciate it.

[9:32] You're not supposed to bow with a

[9:34] microphone. So give me the microphone.

[9:39] I am

[9:40] good. Cool. Thank you.

[9:44] Hi. Hello. Hi. I was introduced to your

[9:48] chanting when I was 12 years old and

[9:51] then 2 years ago?

[9:52] >> No, no. Oh, no, no.

[9:54] 15.

[9:56] Um and then about 5 years later I got

[9:58] involved uh heavenly involved in a

[10:00] spiritual institution where I did kirtan

[10:02] a lot. Mhm. Um both leading and um just

[10:05] being in the audience responding, but it

[10:07] was an environment where there was um it

[10:09] was just very damaging and destructive

[10:12] and there was a lot of ego and spiritual

[10:14] bypassing. And now that I'm out of it,

[10:17] um I'm feeling that really damaged my

[10:20] relationship to the holy names of all

[10:22] kinds.

[10:23] And I still want, of course, to

[10:26] cultivate a relationship with them uh in

[10:29] my heart, but as I'm starting to be

[10:32] exposed to kirtan outside of that

[10:34] environment that I was in,

[10:36] I'm just feeling all of the the

[10:38] blockages and I'm wondering if you have

[10:41] any suggestions or advice on how to

[10:43] Yeah, sure. Yeah, repair that. Can you

[10:46] brighten it up just a touch?

[10:48] Um

[10:51] First of all, let's let's

[10:53] just think about chanting for a second.

[10:55] When we sit down to chant,

[10:58] the biggest obstacles are expectations.

[11:01] We think something's supposed to happen.

[11:04] Problem is it already happened.

[11:06] We're here.

[11:08] But we don't know it.

[11:11] So, what we're trying to do is come back

[11:13] home.

[11:15] We're not looking for any particular

[11:16] kind of experience. We're not You might

[11:19] be looking for bliss or ecstasy, but

[11:21] that actually might be just running away

[11:22] from suffering.

[11:25] And you can't run away from things, nor

[11:27] can you hold on to things. So, when you

[11:29] sit down to chant or or remember the

[11:32] name silently or or outwardly.

[11:36] You just

[11:38] when you notice your thinking, whether

[11:40] it's positive or negative or fantasy or

[11:43] fear,

[11:44] you notice it and you come back to the

[11:46] name.

[11:47] You see, you can always come back.

[11:51] That's the beauty of the name. You can

[11:53] always come back

[11:55] from whatever you're thinking.

[11:56] You just have to You have to notice that

[11:59] you're thinking. So, you notice you're

[12:01] stuck, you have all these negative

[12:02] stories that are going on. Okay, so

[12:05] come back.

[12:07] That's all you have to do. And the more

[12:08] you do that,

[12:10] the more often we come back,

[12:13] the less glued we are to those stories.

[12:16] And then they'll Eventually, they just

[12:18] come through like Indian food.

[12:24] Right through.

[12:26] But, they call it practice for a reason.

[12:29] You have to It's a repetition of

[12:31] training ourselves to let go again and

[12:33] again.

[12:34] And

[12:37] you might think, "Oh, it's unfortunate

[12:39] that I have all this negativity about

[12:42] the name." But, it doesn't matter what

[12:44] the negativity is about.

[12:46] It's not really about the name. It's

[12:48] about your experience with that group

[12:50] and the names involved with that.

[12:52] But, it it doesn't really matter what

[12:55] what the what the subject matter is of

[12:57] the negativity. As soon as you notice

[12:59] that you're stuck, you're actually not

[13:01] stuck at that moment.

[13:04] I mean, the

[13:05] the

[13:07] the mist of the stuck might be around,

[13:09] but you actually if you're noticing,

[13:11] you're no longer that stuck.

[13:13] That's when you rededicate yourself just

[13:15] to the sound of the name.

[13:17] You don't push it away and you don't

[13:19] grab onto the name. You just

[13:22] remember it.

[13:24] You see, inside everything's totally

[13:26] cool.

[13:27] It's just the next bump out, we're

[13:29] totally

[13:32] Everybody is the same. You see, every It

[13:35] doesn't matter what the

[13:37] the subject matter is. Everybody's

[13:39] screwed up.

[13:40] One thing or another.

[13:43] But the letting go is exactly the same

[13:45] for everybody.

[13:46] And here's the other

[13:48] thing.

[13:49] So, you sit down, you're going to

[13:50] practice, and you you know, all of a

[13:52] sudden you got all this stuff going on

[13:53] on and on.

[13:54] And then you notice

[13:57] How did that happen? That you noticed

[13:59] you were stuck. That you noticed you

[14:00] were thinking.

[14:03] You woke up for a second.

[14:06] Now,

[14:07] nothing can happen

[14:10] without a cause.

[14:12] Can the cause of waking up be

[14:15] asleepness?

[14:17] No.

[14:18] The cause of waking up can only be that

[14:20] we planted seeds of waking up

[14:21] previously.

[14:23] So, that's already working. Underneath

[14:26] what you think you are and what you

[14:28] think you're doing, there's a whole

[14:30] karmic flow going on.

[14:33] So,

[14:34] you just keep letting go into that again

[14:36] and again. And you don't try to push

[14:38] away the negative. You look at it.

[14:41] Allow it to be. You can really learn a

[14:43] lot. You know, like one of my one of the

[14:45] lamas I studied with talks about the

[14:47] handshake practice.

[14:49] He says, "Okay, you sit around and

[14:50] something comes in like some negative

[14:52] thing, negative feeling. And you go,

[14:54] 'Oh, hi.

[14:56] How are you doing? I know you. Yeah, you

[14:57] weren't you here just 10 minutes ago? I

[14:59] think you were, yeah.

[15:00] Yeah, so you Come on, come on in. Have a

[15:02] cup of tea. What do you like in your

[15:03] tea? Poison? Okay.

[15:05] I got some of that.

[15:08] Okay, never mind. I won't give you

[15:10] poison. Just come in, have some

[15:11] something. How about sugar? That's

[15:12] pretty bad for you.

[15:16] But the thing is, don't be afraid.

[15:19] You're here.

[15:21] Whatever happened happened, but you're

[15:22] still here. You're here now.

[15:24] And 10 minutes from now you'll still be

[15:26] here now. And tomorrow and next week

[15:29] you'll be here now.

[15:31] So, it's just a matter of remembering

[15:34] to let go

[15:36] and just be.

[15:37] Don't try to make something happen.

[15:40] It already happened. And nothing we can

[15:43] create in our minds or

[15:45] you know, I want this kind of feeling. I

[15:46] want to have this kind of None of that

[15:48] could never last because we created it.

[15:51] This is why Groucho Marx is my guru.

[15:56] He used to say, "I'll never join any

[15:58] club that I'm invited to to join."

[16:02] And that's perfect cuz I don't want I

[16:04] don't want to join anything I can create

[16:06] in my mind

[16:07] or my emotions.

[16:09] It won't last.

[16:12] So, but what lasts is what is here now

[16:16] and what will always be right here now,

[16:17] which is our true nature, who we really

[16:19] are.

[16:21] So, it's good.

[16:22] And then you have resentment

[16:25] for being stuck.

[16:27] But

[16:28] there's a secret in that.

[16:30] And the secret is

[16:33] the lesson of betrayal

[16:36] is trust.

[16:40] Not only other people's betrayal, but we

[16:43] gave ourselves away.

[16:48] So,

[16:49] how it's how we learn to trust.

[16:53] We forgive ourselves for being

[16:56] how shall we put it?

[17:02] And needy.

[17:04] And greedy.

[17:06] And wanting this and wanting that and

[17:08] all the reasons we would join any kind

[17:10] of group and be attracted that

[17:11] underneath the surface.

[17:14] We have to forgive ourselves for that

[17:15] cuz it's just like everybody. We're just

[17:17] like everybody else.

[17:20] But the lesson

[17:22] that we learn, that we are that that's

[17:24] imprinted on us

[17:26] from betraying our own hearts, is

[17:30] learning how to trust that heart.

[17:32] Because that's what you're doing now.

[17:34] It's just a little unfamiliar, that's

[17:36] all.

[17:37] But that's okay.

[17:41] Thank you. Yeah.

[17:45] I mean, I was in a cult myself, you

[17:46] know. So, I know what it's like.

[17:49] Fun.

[18:01] Thank you. Hi. Hi. Um

[18:04] two things. One may be silly.

[18:07] Um and then the other one's more

[18:09] practical.

[18:10] The first one is

[18:12] I think I remember seeing or reading

[18:14] that uh

[18:16] Maraji threw fruit at you.

[18:19] Everybody. Right.

[18:22] If you were thinking.

[18:24] Anytime. Anytime.

[18:27] He needed no no reason to throw fruit.

[18:31] He wasn't throwing it at you. He was

[18:32] distributing prasada in all directions.

[18:36] But if he wanted to, he could hit you

[18:38] right in the head, you know.

[18:41] Okay, maybe I misunderstood. Yeah, it

[18:43] wasn't it wasn't a violent act. Okay.

[18:46] Oh.

[18:47] Cuz I the Yeah, I wanted to ask if it

[18:49] worked.

[18:50] >> So, sometimes No, didn't work.

[18:53] It would It would could be a wake-up

[18:54] call, you know, like bringing you back

[18:57] from outer space cuz you're sitting in

[18:58] front of him thinking about, you know,

[19:00] some movie you saw back in New York 30

[19:02] years ago. Boom. Boom.

[19:04] Okay.

[19:05] >> But

[19:06] very gentle. I mean, it Yeah. However, I

[19:08] once got hit in the heart with a hard

[19:11] unripe guava

[19:14] from a from from about 50 yards away by

[19:17] a by a

[19:18] a baba who was 270 years old. Wow.

[19:23] He hit me and I I turned away from him

[19:25] and I went

[19:28] And he was so far away I could hardly

[19:30] see him, you know, there were like a

[19:31] thousand people there and I

[19:34] And

[19:34] then Maharaj he just kind of

[19:36] Oh, okay. Soft bananas usually, not not

[19:39] hard guavas. I'm going to update my

[19:41] visual. Yeah, okay. Love that. Okay.

[19:44] And the other question was um

[19:47] I have a family. I have three kids and I

[19:49] have many

[19:50] many people in my house and I don't

[19:52] really have like a sanctuary that I

[19:54] could go to and do this. Um

[19:56] and so and I'm from Iceland so

[19:58] >> That's what the bathroom is for.

[20:02] True.

[20:04] And I'm

[20:05] um

[20:06] So I'm I'm from Iceland and I do the

[20:08] Thursdays a lot.

[20:09] >> Well, I love Iceland. I've been there so

[20:10] many times. Did I see you there?

[20:12] No. No. Okay. Um yeah, I

[20:16] I loved it there.

[20:16] >> you after. Yeah. But um

[20:19] uh

[20:20] and so it's at like midnight or

[20:22] something and sometimes or 11:00 at

[20:24] night and so I'll go for walks

[20:27] in the

[20:28] empty cold tundra with my dog

[20:31] and

[20:32] I'm so I'm walking and moving when I'm

[20:35] listening and

[20:37] chanting. Is that okay? Sure. Any any

[20:40] any time you remember the name is good.

[20:42] Yeah. You're planting a seed.

[20:44] You know, if you're walking on a

[20:46] tightrope 3,000 ft off the ground, maybe

[20:48] you should pay attention more to the

[20:50] rope, but you know, if you fall, the

[20:52] name will be there, so that's good.

[20:56] Thank you. Where in Where in Iceland are

[20:57] you from?

[20:58] I'm from the north, but I live in

[21:00] Reykjavik now. Uh-huh. Yeah.

[21:02] Very good. I loved it there, boy.

[21:05] Will you come back? You know, this this

[21:07] is a country that the government they

[21:09] believe in gnomes and stuff like that,

[21:12] you know? And there's this certain rock

[21:13] formations that they believe these

[21:15] gnomes live in. So, if the government's

[21:17] building a road,

[21:19] they build the road around the

[21:21] foundation.

[21:23] Not like America where they they they

[21:25] destroy cities just to put a road up,

[21:27] you know? They move 50,000 people just

[21:29] to make a highway. In In Iceland, they

[21:31] go around it like that.

[21:34] It's so cool.

[21:36] Yeah.

[21:37] We we had a I had a great time there.

[21:38] Loved it. We were there twice or once?

[21:42] I don't remember. Once, maybe.

[21:44] What were we like? Huh? What were we

[21:47] like? We were very nice. Yeah?

[21:56] I've just never seen a harmonium on or

[21:58] anything like this there, so I was just

[22:00] curious.

[22:00] >> This This one group This one spiritual

[22:02] group brought me over.

[22:04] But we sang I I sang in the uh that

[22:06] beautiful new um Harpa, yeah. Yeah.

[22:08] Yeah. Which I think it just built when I

[22:10] got there.

[22:11] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was beautiful.

[22:12] >> Yeah, it's a cool place. What a

[22:13] building. Will you come back?

[22:15] Yeah, you know, it's Iceland is amazing.

[22:17] We went down to the beach. It was like

[22:18] 110°.

[22:20] And then we get into a car and we drove

[22:22] maybe

[22:23] 15 minutes up to this

[22:27] up up this canyon.

[22:29] And then we get into this machine. It's

[22:31] like a

[22:32] uh It had

[22:35] these paddles, but they're like

[22:37] 15 ft wide, right? These big paddles

[22:40] going around like this. So, we get up on

[22:41] this thing and it starts going up the

[22:44] mountain. In 10 minutes, we were in a

[22:47] blizzard. And it was like 30 below.

[22:50] Unbelievable. Went up right into a

[22:51] glacier. It was extraordinary. Within

[22:53] like, you know, 10 minutes, you're like

[22:54] on the beach, then you're in a glacier.

[22:56] It was amazing.

[22:58] What a place.

[23:00] Yeah.

[23:01] It's good. Thank you. Yeah, nice place.

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[24:02] Yeah.

[24:02] >> Krishnadas. Hi.

[24:04] Ready Janet. Um

[24:07] I have a Hanuman Chalisa

[24:09] >> A little closer. Closer. I have a

[24:11] Hanuman Chalisa question. Okay.

[24:13] >> Um

[24:15] So, I enjoy chanting and and like today

[24:17] I loved it. But a lot of times I mumble

[24:20] through certain parts because I I just

[24:22] can't pronounce everything. And when

[24:24] COVID hit and you talked about the

[24:26] Hanuman Chalisa, I decided I really

[24:28] needed to learn it. Um that it'd be

[24:30] important, but it

[24:32] it

[24:34] I really struggled with it and it it it

[24:36] it caused a lot of stress.

[24:38] Um

[24:39] Yeah.

[24:40] You know, cuz I thought I I need to

[24:41] learn this so I could find some peace

[24:43] and

[24:44] and I

[24:47] And and I wasn't and um

[24:50] So, I think it was you that told the

[24:53] story about Neem Karoli Baba, put I

[24:55] forgot what song in in someone's head

[24:59] and that they could just sing it. Say

[25:00] that again. That there that you

[25:03] you told a story I think about Neem

[25:05] Karoli Baba that he put a song in

[25:07] someone's head in India and he was able

[25:09] to sing it and knew it perfectly.

[25:12] Oh yeah, yeah.

[25:14] That was the Bhagavad Gita, yeah.

[25:16] And so I thought, you know, I'm going to

[25:19] ask

[25:23] if Neem Karoli Baba would put this in my

[25:25] head so I could just repeat it.

[25:28] And um

[25:30] so

[25:31] I get on my bicycle and I spin and I put

[25:35] like a YouTube of the Hanuman Chalisa on

[25:37] or a CD and I just spin and I try to

[25:39] repeat it and learn it. And usually like

[25:42] I'll listen to Nina's cuz she has that

[25:44] nice long one and normally another Nina

[25:47] one pops up but this time the the next

[25:50] one that popped up was Neem Karoli Baba

[25:52] who I've never Googled and he's just

[25:54] going Ram Ram Ram Ram Ram and I thought,

[25:59] I can do that.

[26:01] You know.

[26:02] And

[26:05] so that's

[26:06] I

[26:07] it kind of took me off the hook from

[26:09] learning it.

[26:10] And I feel like I can just Ram Ram Ram.

[26:13] Um And I was just wondering what your

[26:15] thoughts were.

[26:18] My my thoughts are you are the hook.

[26:25] Um

[26:31] If you if if we could repeat the name

[26:37] constantly we would be.

[26:39] But it's not so easy.

[26:43] We have a lot of other stuff going on,

[26:45] habitual patterns of thought etc. etc.

[26:49] And the Hanuman Chalisa is a practice

[26:52] that purifies the heart.

[26:54] And the effort that it takes to learn it

[26:57] Now, it doesn't have to be memorized.

[26:58] Nobody said you had to memorize it.

[27:01] Carry around a little piece of paper,

[27:02] you know.

[27:04] You know.

[27:05] It No, it's not a test.

[27:07] But the Chalisa itself, the practice,

[27:09] Maharajji gave us that practice.

[27:12] And if you read the Chalisa, the

[27:14] translation,

[27:15] you you learn a lot

[27:18] um

[27:19] about Hanuman about

[27:22] a lot of things.

[27:25] Uh

[27:28] You know, and Maharajji said, "Go on

[27:30] singing your lying fake Ram Ram.

[27:33] One of these days the real your call

[27:35] will come out and the real Ram will

[27:36] come." So, it's not that you can just go

[27:38] Ram and that cuz we say Ram, but

[27:43] it's said that the name

[27:45] and what is named or God are not

[27:48] different.

[27:50] But when we say Ram,

[27:52] you know,

[27:53] nothing happens.

[27:55] So, we're not we don't have that

[27:57] awareness. We're not open that way.

[28:00] We're not our bandwidth is still too

[28:02] constrained.

[28:04] So, repetition of the name is also a

[28:06] purifying, no question about it.

[28:10] And Maharajji said, "Do it whether you

[28:12] feel any devotion or not, whether you're

[28:13] angry, whether you're tired, whatever.

[28:15] Just do it cuz if you don't do it, then

[28:17] what?"

[28:18] You don't plant seeds, nothing will

[28:19] grow.

[28:21] That being said,

[28:23] the practice of chanting Hanuman Chalisa

[28:25] is a very powerful.

[28:26] And it's a direct

[28:30] connection with Maharajji, who is

[28:32] Hanuman himself.

[28:34] And so,

[28:36] uh

[28:39] And if you want to learn it, there's

[28:40] those two, you know,

[28:42] the flow of grace CD. And the second CD

[28:45] has every word or every phrase very

[28:47] slowly,

[28:48] easy to repeat.

[28:51] Uh you can just do it. Just do it 10,000

[28:54] times. You'll know it. It doesn't have

[28:55] to be memorized.

[28:57] It's just some kind of weird trip that

[28:59] we do to ourselves.

[29:02] So,

[29:03] um yeah.

[29:05] So, it's okay just to keep um

[29:08] repeating it with you on the CD. Say

[29:10] what? So, it's it's okay just to keep

[29:12] repeating it with you on the CD.

[29:14] >> Of course it's okay. Why?

[29:15] Better than raping and killing.

[29:19] Right? Right. Then?

[29:24] Thank you. Yeah.

[29:32] Hello. Where are you? Over here. Oh,

[29:35] okay. Um my name is Peter and I'm

[29:39] uh kind of on this almost opposite

[29:41] journey of everybody else where I'm a

[29:43] Gen Z, so I'm kind of very young,

[29:45] especially among this group, and I don't

[29:47] have

[29:49] Sorry?

[29:51] What are you saying? What are you

[29:53] Gen Z? What happens after Z?

[29:58] You start back at A? I think they start

[30:00] going uh like delta and they start going

[30:02] Greek letters. Okay.

[30:04] Um and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.

[30:07] I just

[30:09] I don't even know what language you're

[30:11] talking.

[30:15] Go ahead. Go ahead.

[30:16] So, I I'm in this specific situation

[30:19] where I I feel strong calling towards

[30:22] service and towards kind of a spiritual

[30:24] path and that's very new towards my

[30:27] family and specifically even me. Mhm. Um

[30:30] and I I feel this calling towards

[30:31] specifically service in in any way I can

[30:34] find it, but I don't see many outlets in

[30:37] my my current life to find that. And I I

[30:40] always hear Ram Dass talking about

[30:43] the the classic be here now. You Your

[30:46] next step is always right in front of

[30:47] you, but that can be a little hard to

[30:48] find and especially when there's there's

[30:51] so many paths, especially for the

[30:52] younger generation, to go and there's so

[30:54] many needs of this world when it comes

[30:56] to different holes in the societies. And

[31:00] I was wondering if you had any help with

[31:03] the ability to find that path when it

[31:05] comes to

[31:06] specifically a spiritual practice, but

[31:08] also just a a pragmatic

[31:11] way to live life, I guess.

[31:15] Whatever else you do, sooner or later

[31:18] you're going to have to calm your mind

[31:19] down.

[31:20] So, start there. See what happens.

[31:24] And there's a million different

[31:25] practices to do that.

[31:27] You can just simply watch your breath

[31:29] come in and out. And if you do it well

[31:31] enough, you know, you can get

[31:32] enlightened just with that.

[31:35] But start somewhere. I mean, you start

[31:37] practicing calming calming yourself down

[31:40] a little bit, you know.

[31:41] And then

[31:43] see how things go. See what shows up in

[31:45] your life. Make The more open you are

[31:48] and receptive,

[31:49] the more you become aware of what's

[31:52] shows up.

[31:53] A lot of things are there that you're

[31:55] not aware of.

[31:56] Right around the corner. You

[31:58] You know, Krishna could be living next

[32:00] door, but until you look, you never see.

[32:04] Actually, he is.

[32:06] He's actually living in your house

[32:09] as you.

[32:13] Yeah, so, you know,

[32:15] this is what's called life

[32:18] and living.

[32:19] It happens. So, according to what you

[32:23] want in life

[32:24] and how you greet

[32:26] every day and every moment, you know,

[32:28] see what happens. It's uh it's exciting.

[32:32] Sometimes it's very depressing.

[32:35] But that's what's called an emotion. Let

[32:37] it go, come back to your breath.

[32:40] Don't believe what you think.

[32:42] Okay?

[32:43] That's the definition of insanity.

[32:46] We all believe what we think.

[32:49] Isn't that crazy?

[32:51] I mean, there's no reason for us to

[32:53] believe what we think, but we do.

[32:56] Yeah, I feel like today.

[32:58] Why?

[32:59] Why did I think that?

[33:02] I don't feel like

[33:04] Why did I think I did? It's weird. Okay.

[33:07] But

[33:08] calm your ass down. That's the main

[33:10] thing. Every day, just a couple of

[33:12] minutes at first, right? If you try too

[33:14] hard,

[33:15] you'll ruin everything.

[33:18] Just chill.

[33:20] Mhm? 3 minutes, 4 minutes. Set a timer

[33:23] so you don't sit there too long.

[33:26] Maybe an alarm clock to wake you up when

[33:28] you fall asleep in 30 seconds.

[33:32] Thank you. Yeah. Oh, good advice,

[33:35] really.

[33:42] Hi. Yeah.

[33:44] I wonder if you could Nah. No, probably

[33:46] not because

[33:48] of your attitude towards your your own

[33:51] stories now. Yeah. But I was wondering

[33:53] if you could elaborate on a story from

[33:56] your autobiography where Maharaji asked

[33:59] you to have courage.

[34:01] Um

[34:03] and I I

[34:04] I'm not sure in the book whether it

[34:08] you go into detail of like later in your

[34:10] life when you thought that that like you

[34:12] look back and said, "Oh, that's Yeah.

[34:15] he's addressing this moment." Like what

[34:17] So, I guess the question is

[34:19] can you continue that story and um how

[34:22] did you find the courage and what sort

[34:25] of grace was involved?

[34:27] Well,

[34:28] he had just told me that he was sending

[34:31] me back to America.

[34:33] And I was sitting there and my mind was

[34:35] currently spinning out, you know.

[34:38] I was thinking about chocolate chip

[34:39] cookies and

[34:42] Wheaties

[34:45] and you know

[34:47] going to basketball games again, you

[34:49] know.

[34:50] I was just going crazy sitting there,

[34:51] right?

[34:54] And I started to get worried. What am I

[34:55] going to do? I I just didn't know what I

[34:57] was going to do in America.

[34:59] And I still had

[35:01] January I still had

[35:04] like 3 months in India.

[35:06] He said when my visa was up, that's when

[35:08] I had to go back.

[35:09] So this was Christmas time

[35:12] and my visa was up at the beginning of

[35:14] March. So I still had a couple of

[35:15] months.

[35:18] Um

[35:21] So sitting there

[35:23] all of a sudden he sits up and he looks

[35:24] at me really intensely and he says

[35:27] "Courage is a really big thing."

[35:32] And the Indian guy goes, "Oh Baba, God

[35:35] takes care of his devotees."

[35:38] "Courage is a really big thing."

[35:43] I was thinking, "What's going to

[35:44] happen?" You know.

[35:46] So I just remembered that, you know, cuz

[35:48] he put it in there pretty strongly.

[35:52] And um

[35:59] I am There were a lot of times when

[36:02] all I had was the vague memory of that

[36:04] moment, which was just about enough to

[36:06] get me through

[36:08] whatever I was going through

[36:10] internally or externally. There were a

[36:12] lot of

[36:14] you know, horrible situations I found

[36:16] myself in over the years.

[36:19] Um

[36:22] But it was interesting

[36:24] because, you know

[36:29] we have all these ideas of oh God does

[36:32] everything or everything is karma or it

[36:34] doesn't matter

[36:35] but he was telling me courage was really

[36:38] important.

[36:40] So that was a big thing.

[36:43] I really there's not really much to

[36:44] elaborate about other than that.

[36:46] There were times that there was nothing

[36:48] but the memory of that and there wasn't

[36:49] any courage but just

[36:52] remembering that moment kind of okay got

[36:55] me through to the next moment.

[37:00] Thank you. Yeah.

[37:05] Mistakes

[37:06] uh

[37:08] you've been invited

[37:09] introduced to me maybe 3 4 years ago by

[37:12] a close friend of mine.

[37:14] And the first time I've heard you the

[37:15] tranquility of your voice actually taken

[37:18] me to a different plane.

[37:20] And since then I've been a huge fan of

[37:21] you.

[37:22] So along with me I brought 3 4 friends

[37:24] of mine kind of attend this resort so

[37:28] retreat.

[37:29] So the question to you what has been

[37:31] your experiences or transformational

[37:33] journey

[37:35] that took you on this path of bhakti

[37:37] marga?

[37:39] I don't think you're born as a singer or

[37:41] probably you're not born as a practicing

[37:43] singer. So what took you or what

[37:45] experiences led you to that path of

[37:48] bhakti yoga marga?

[37:52] I

[37:53] Bhakti gyan karma it's all the same.

[37:55] It's your life.

[37:57] Bhakti means love.

[37:59] And when I met my guru

[38:02] I fell in love.

[38:03] And I never fell out of that love.

[38:07] And that's bhakti.

[38:09] It's also wisdom because guru is

[38:13] everything.

[38:14] Whole universe so when you're in a

[38:15] living relationship with the universe

[38:17] everything changes.

[38:21] So um

[38:34] I don't know if there's been much

[38:36] transformation to tell you the truth. I

[38:38] mean, really.

[38:41] I just, you know,

[38:45] I just

[38:47] cut myself a break every once in a while

[38:49] now when I didn't used to.

[38:51] And as a result, I cut other people a

[38:53] break once in a while.

[38:56] Because everybody's guru.

[38:59] When I can see that, when I live in that

[39:01] space, then it's very different

[39:03] universe.

[39:05] And that's the way it really is.

[39:07] When guru is not a physical person,

[39:10] not limited to a body,

[39:12] a physical body.

[39:15] We think that because we think we are

[39:16] physical bodies. That's what we identify

[39:18] with.

[39:20] And so, when somebody says guru, you

[39:22] think of

[39:24] somebody out there.

[39:26] That's not what it is at all.

[39:30] Guru is like the

[39:35] like the the space of the sky.

[39:39] Inside everything is inside of that.

[39:41] There's nothing outside of that vast

[39:43] space, that vast presence.

[39:49] But we

[39:52] our minds, our stuff

[39:55] is focused on stuff, on little things,

[39:58] on forms and shapes and egos and psych-

[40:02] psych- psychology and all this stuff.

[40:05] So, we miss the space. We don't see

[40:07] this, we don't experience that presence

[40:10] in which we all live.

[40:14] When we do,

[40:15] then everything's fine.

[40:18] That's real devotion.

[40:21] And that's a mature devotion, a ripe

[40:24] devotion.

[40:26] But it starts

[40:28] very simply, you know, with

[40:32] a loving connection with with with

[40:34] either yourself or a being.

[40:38] You don't have to meet that being

[40:40] physically to feel the love.

[40:45] I felt the love for Maharajji when I met

[40:47] Ram Dass.

[40:49] And I felt I didn't know what it was at

[40:51] first, you know.

[40:53] I thought it was Ram Dass.

[40:56] But he very quickly abused me of that

[40:58] thought.

[41:00] Disabused me or whatever the word is. I

[41:02] beautifully explained it in your book

[41:04] though, by the way. That was very nice.

[41:05] >> Yeah, and he liked that, too.

[41:10] But uh, you know, so

[41:17] One has to experience these things

[41:19] oneself.

[41:29] But we

[41:30] we hear about them from other people.

[41:35] We hear about what's possible.

[41:38] But it's up to us to

[41:40] plant those seeds in our lives

[41:43] of the things that we want

[41:45] to experience.

[41:48] If we don't plant the seeds, nothing can

[41:50] grow.

[42:19] >> And no man shall listen is a very

[42:20] powerful practice

[42:23] for cleaning

[42:25] the mirror of the heart.

[42:28] The mirror is covered with with crud.

[42:31] All our stuff.

[42:34] So when we look into the mirror, all we

[42:36] see is the crud. We don't see

[42:39] what really could be reflected.

[42:43] But as the crud is polished off,

[42:46] our we see more clearly and more

[42:50] accurately

[42:52] what's reflected in that mirror.

[42:55] So on one hand, we're looking in a

[42:58] mirror ourselves.

[43:00] And when

[43:02] the mirror is all our stuff.

[43:05] All the me me me stuff, all the ego

[43:07] stuff, all the greed, the selfishness,

[43:09] the shame, the fear, the all that stuff.

[43:12] The anger.

[43:14] All that stuff.

[43:17] However, this is the mirror.

[43:22] Right now,

[43:25] what you're looking into is a mirror.

[43:28] And you're seeing your stuff.

[43:31] All your all our

[43:34] our

[43:35] ideas, all our interpretations, all our

[43:40] likes and dislikes,

[43:42] all our frustrations, all our

[43:44] needingness, all our beauty,

[43:46] all the everything.

[43:49] So as we clean our hearts, everything we

[43:52] see changes.

[43:54] It's like

[43:56] it's like you're born with

[43:57] uh

[43:58] glasses on

[44:01] that are the wrong prescription.

[44:03] But you don't know that. So you look

[44:05] around and everything kind of what it

[44:07] is. You don't doesn't seem weird to you

[44:09] cuz it's what you were born with.

[44:12] Little by little,

[44:14] that those glasses start prescription

[44:16] changes.

[44:18] It self-corrects, and little by little

[44:19] things come into

[44:22] clarity.

[44:24] And clear, everything becomes clear.

[44:26] And you see things as they are, and then

[44:28] you see yourself as you really are.

[44:32] And that's the result of practice,

[44:34] spiritual practice.

[44:37] Or in in a very general sense.

[44:42] So, we're all in our own little version

[44:44] of of the universe.

[44:47] But we share a bandwidth, so

[44:50] we can talk to each other.

[44:53] We can see all these bodies and all

[44:55] these minds and all this stuff.

[44:58] But when

[45:00] the mirror of the heart is perfectly

[45:03] clear,

[45:05] everything is very different.

[45:06] And there's only what's when you you

[45:08] experience the oneness of it all.

[45:15] And on the way to that oneness, a lot of

[45:18] different qualities arise, compassion

[45:20] and kindness,

[45:22] equanimity,

[45:24] happiness,

[45:28] just for no reason.

[45:30] Just because that's who we are.

[45:42] And Maharaji said,

[45:44] Ram Nam

[45:45] says Buddha

[45:46] from going on repeating these names,

[45:49] everything is accomplished.

[45:54] Whatever it is, it's accomplished.

[45:58] It's made full and complete.

[46:07] >> I like I've I've had um

[46:11] Dysentery?

[46:13] Not yet.

[46:13] >> Uh-huh. Long long long way to go though.

[46:15] Probably going to happen.

[46:17] Um

[46:19] So I've had like I've had these deep and

[46:21] profound

[46:23] um

[46:24] awakening experiences in my life. Um

[46:30] And

[46:31] I used to be

[46:34] a person who

[46:37] sought uh ceaseless pleasure.

[46:40] Good luck.

[46:42] Right.

[46:44] Um

[46:46] And so I recognize that that's a fool's

[46:48] errand.

[46:50] Um and I I no longer seek that. Uh like

[46:52] I really feel

[46:56] like I want to I want to be here for all

[46:58] of life.

[46:59] Uh that includes

[47:02] all of it. The horror,

[47:04] uh

[47:06] the pain,

[47:07] love, beauty, like all of it.

[47:09] Um and so like I feel this

[47:14] resistance to the possibility

[47:19] of enlightenment.

[47:22] Um

[47:24] partially because like I don't believe

[47:26] like

[47:27] I guess I question if there would even

[47:29] be a me there to experience it. Like

[47:31] this idea of enlightenment being a

[47:33] transcendence of

[47:37] be being being human, being here, being

[47:39] here in this form. I love that you're

[47:41] making these faces at me.

[47:43] Um

[47:44] Yeah, it's totally the opposite of that,

[47:46] of course.

[47:48] You're totally here.

[47:51] And there's nothing in your way.

[47:53] Everything is experienced.

[47:56] Because there's nothing to to to filter

[47:59] or to push away or to judge or evaluate.

[48:03] Wide open total presence.

[48:07] Which is who you are already. So,

[48:08] there's no sense fighting it. That's who

[48:09] you are.

[48:11] All this other stuff is just stuff.

[48:14] Let it go.

[48:17] By saying you want to be here for all of

[48:18] it, you're actually

[48:20] narrowing it down pretty

[48:23] pretty fiercely.

[48:25] Don't want to say it. Don't even think

[48:26] it. Just be here.

[48:29] But that's not so easy.

[48:30] Cuz we're always thinking all this

[48:32] stuff.

[48:33] When when the me is not functioning

[48:39] you're completely present with

[48:41] everything and everyone and everything

[48:43] completely. Absolutely. There's no fear.

[48:45] There's no distance.

[48:47] You're out of your own way.

[48:50] It's just exactly the way you know it

[48:53] is.

[48:54] But can't get there yet.

[48:58] So.

[49:01] And it's just another storyline that

[49:03] you're identifying with.

[49:05] Which is got to go anyhow, so

[49:08] let it go.

[49:12] Thank you. I I had a another question.

[49:15] Wait. He's He's busy. Hold on. He's

[49:17] saying something.

[49:20] Uh okay.

[49:22] So,

[49:23] um

[49:24] like you had you've lived this amazing

[49:27] life with these amazing experiences. You

[49:31] think so? And uh

[49:33] these awakenings

[49:36] were being

[49:36] >> Falling asleep.

[49:37] >> Right.

[49:40] So, I'm curious about um

[49:42] your current experience. Like we all

[49:44] we're all coming starry-eyed looking at

[49:46] you. And if there's a like one a need

[49:49] for you like do you do you look outward

[49:53] for something

[49:56] to a person, a discipline, and like do

[49:59] is your current experience is there a

[50:02] deepening, a deeper awakening, and or

[50:06] what like what challenges you now in in

[50:09] life? I'm curious about your current

[50:10] experience.

[50:17] I'm just hanging out.

[50:20] I don't have much of an agenda.

[50:23] Uh

[50:27] uh

[50:29] I signed the line and said I'd be here

[50:31] for a few days, so I drove over from my

[50:33] house.

[50:35] Other than that, I didn't make any

[50:36] commitments to be exceptionally holy or

[50:38] anything. I just

[50:40] just said I'd be here with y'all.

[50:43] Um

[51:07] What did you ask?

[51:15] Does somebody else want to re-answer it?

[51:17] No.

[51:20] We could roll the tape back and

[51:22] >> Like that.

[51:25] Oh, like there Well, I asked like a

[51:27] load of questions. That's really the

[51:28] problem here. Um

[51:30] like if one, if you're seeking

[51:32] inspiration elsewhere, is there like a

[51:34] current deepening or awakening, or like

[51:36] do what is showing up as as challenging

[51:39] or like in the way for you

[51:41] these days?

[51:42] >> Mhm.

[51:45] It's true.

[51:47] Having to get here at 2:00 in the

[51:48] afternoon is hard.

[51:52] Okay, so uh I love uh yeah, I get

[51:54] inspiration of I go to I look to find

[51:56] saints, yogis.

[51:59] I met a couple of really great yogis in

[52:01] India this time. Wow.

[52:04] And they're still here. It's

[52:06] unbelievable.

[52:08] Let me tell you, they're here. It's

[52:10] extraordinary.

[52:13] So, that's what I That's I'm a I'm a

[52:14] saint junkie. That's what I am.

[52:18] And it's all my heart idea. I don't I

[52:19] It's not like people say, "Oh, I don't

[52:21] know about that." Yeah,

[52:22] it's all my

[52:24] Everything that happens happens inside

[52:26] of him, so I don't worry about that.

[52:28] But, I love I love

[52:30] finding, you know,

[52:34] It's

[52:35] And you know, I just love saints, you

[52:37] know, I love

[52:38] the beings that

[52:40] that shine so much.

[52:42] It's great.

[52:47] That's very inspiring.

[52:49] Just knowing that they're here is very

[52:51] inspiring cuz we get

[52:53] you know, we see the world going down

[52:55] the toilet and

[52:58] we wonder, is there any use or any hope?

[53:00] And how could it get like this?

[53:03] But, there are beings who know exactly

[53:05] what's going on, who are doing what has

[53:06] to be done, and it's all My heart used

[53:09] to say, "It's all perfect." It's a hard

[53:11] one.

[53:13] That's a really hard one. Ram Dass

[53:14] wanted to take his van and go be a

[53:18] like an ambulance out in in Bangladesh

[53:20] when all this bad stuff was happening.

[53:23] My heart used to say, "Ram Dass,

[53:25] don't you understand? It's all perfect."

[53:28] That's really hard cuz people are

[53:30] suffering.

[53:31] That means suffering is also perfect.

[53:35] We don't like suffering, so how could it

[53:37] be perfect?

[53:39] Well,

[53:40] that's a good question.

[53:45] So,

[53:46] that's very inspiring to me. And then

[53:53] the only thing in the way

[53:55] for me is me. So,

[53:59] working on it.

[54:07] I'm not in a particular hurry, but I'm

[54:09] working on it.

[54:10] Time goes by, though.

[54:16] Things happen.

[54:26] Thanks for listening, everyone.

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According to Krishna Das, the biggest obstacle is expectation—thinking that something special is supposed to happen. The real insight is that we've already arrived home, but we don't recognize it because our minds are oriented toward what's missing rather than what's present.
Krishna Das teaches that seeking bliss or ecstasy while chanting may be a form of spiritual bypassing—running away from discomfort rather than meeting it directly. The practice isn't about chasing peak experiences; it's about presence without agenda, which eventually allows you to neither push away suffering nor grasp for false transcendence.
Yes, but it requires rebuilding trust in the practice itself and the names, separate from any person or institution. Krishna Das emphasizes that the purity of the names is unshaken by the behavior of communities that misuse them. Returning to chanting in a healthier context or alone, with sincerity and without imposed expectations, can gradually dissolve the blockages created by past harm.
No. Krishna Das teaches that while the names point to something beyond themselves, you don't need intellectual understanding for the practice to work. Sincerity, repetition, and surrender are what matter. The mechanism operates through the practice itself, not through cognitive comprehension.
Krishna Das would say that's exactly the practice. Showing up without demanding a particular feeling is itself the work—it weakens the ego's grip on experience. These quiet sessions are where real transformation happens, often invisibly, and you may only notice the change months or years later when you realize you're different.
Trust develops gradually through repeated, honest engagement with the practice without external authority figures dictating what should happen. Notice any blockages without judgment, continue showing up, and allow yourself to have whatever experience arises—or no experience at all. Over time, the direct relationship between you and the names rebuilds itself.

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